In a weird risk-seller back-patting moment, the head of the CERM Academy congratulated the head of G31000 as being “prescient.”

Greg Hutchins, who operates the CERM Academy which provides unaccredited Certified Enterprise Risk Management certificates to individuals, declared his love for Alex Dali, who heads the equally unaccredited G31000 Global Institute for Risk Management Standards, which also provides risk management certificates. Neither organization adheres to ISO 17024, the standard for personnel certification bodies.

Says Mr. Hutchins of Mr. Dali:

 I’ve found him to be prescient and smart. He was one of the first to recognize the importance of risk and its relevance to standards development and ISO 9001…. has done what few or none in the quality/ISO community has done. Saw the convergence of ISO with risk.

Like the other material published by Mr. Hutchins, it ignores huge swaths of history and lots of facts.  He would have us believe that the following represented an alternate reality in which Alex Dali was “prescient” regarding risk and ISO 9001:

  • The entire ISO Technical Management Board, along with the entire TC 262 and the authors of 31000’s precursor, AS NZS 4360, never developed a risk management standard under the ISO banner, later called ISO 31000, until Alex Dali did.
  • ISO never incorporated it into the Annex SL HLS for ISO 9001, with all of TC 176 voting on it, until Alex Dali did.
  • AS9100 never had a risk management clause in it, since 2009.
  • Sandy Liebesman never wrote this article in 2005 on Sarbanes-Oxley and risk management under ISO 9001.
  • The thousands of people in the world who worked on ISO and risk were never born.
  • Alex Dali was the only human being alive to “see the convergence of ISO with risk.”

The Hutchins comment clearly reveals how you differentiate a risk manager from a risk seller. Their goal is marketing, not presenting facts. And under ISO 9001:2015, we are facing two decades more of this.

Shoot me now.

About Christopher Paris

Christopher Paris is the founder and VP Operations of Oxebridge. He has over 30 years' experience implementing ISO 9001 and AS9100 systems, and is a vocal advocate for the development and use of standards from the point of view of actual users. He is the author of Surviving ISO 9001 and Surviving AS9100. He reviews wines for the irreverent wine blog, Winepisser.


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