{"id":991,"date":"2012-11-29T22:27:44","date_gmt":"2012-11-30T02:27:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/?p=991"},"modified":"2012-11-29T22:35:27","modified_gmt":"2012-11-30T02:35:27","slug":"iaf-rules-clients-may-fill-in-audit-evidence-cbs-only-to-verify","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/iaf-rules-clients-may-fill-in-audit-evidence-cbs-only-to-verify\/","title":{"rendered":"IAF Rules: Clients May Fill in Audit Evidence, CB&#8217;s Only to &#8220;Verify&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tampa FL &#8212; The International Accreditation Forum has responded to an initial request by Oxebridge Quality Resources on the issue of AS9100 CB auditors requesting clients to complete PEAR and other audit forms prior to the audit, ruling that the practice is acceptable.<\/p>\n<p>In response to a request for information on how to formally present the question to IAF, Mr. Norbert Borzek issued a preliminary response:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">I  can confirm that we do not see a problem, if the organization knowing  it\u2019s processes very well is filling in the requested  audit forms provided that the auditor \/ audit team is verifying what is  stated in the forms by the organization. Objective evidence for the  verification shall be provided by the auditor \/ audit team.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">As there are still auditors not using such a \u00a0support of organizations there is no official procedure on such an approach.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span lang=\"EN-US\"> <\/span>I know that similar approaches are common practice also in other accreditation \/ certification schemes.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Oxebridge&#8217;s VP Operations Christopher Paris, who was preparing the request on behalf of industry stakeholders, said that given Mr. Borzek&#8217;s response, &#8220;there&#8217;s no point in pursuing this further with a more formal request. They&#8217;ve already ruled.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The ruling is consistent with responses from the AAQG, IAQG, ANAB, training organization Plexus International and multiple registrars.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Mr. Paris has issued the following response.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">AS9101D clearly defines the PEAR and other forms as audit evidence. This is not in dispute.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Therefore, what the IAF is endorsing is a practice whereby auditors may       request a client to complete evidence prior to an       audit, and then have a CB auditor merely       &#8220;verify&#8221; this evidence afterwards.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Both [IAQG and IAF] have defended this practice by saying       there is no specific rule against it. I argue that when the 17021       standard says, &#8220;the audit team shall complete&#8221; this means the       audit team, and not the auditee, but [the authorities] have both ruled       otherwise.<\/p>\n<p>This position will not be interpreted by CB&#8217;s as applying only to       the PEAR. It will open the floodgates for CB auditors to conduct       any practice that is not otherwise prohibited in the standard. It       will affect any QMS accreditation scheme subject to 17021, not       just AS9100. It will result in more of what we are seeing now:       companies hiring consultants to &#8220;pre-complete&#8221;       audit evidence prior to an audit, ensuring the resulting language       portrays a glowing report of the client, and then merely have the       CB auditor sign off. When challenged, they need only       point to your decision.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Oxebridge will report more on this as it develops.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tampa FL &#8212; The International Accreditation Forum has responded to an initial request by Oxebridge Quality Resources on the issue of AS9100 CB auditors requesting clients to complete PEAR and other audit forms prior to the audit, ruling that the practice is acceptable. 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