{"id":31781,"date":"2025-03-13T11:20:48","date_gmt":"2025-03-13T15:20:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/?p=31781"},"modified":"2025-03-15T13:28:58","modified_gmt":"2025-03-15T17:28:58","slug":"iatf-just-did-a-really-really-stupid-thing-will-iso-as-follow","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/iatf-just-did-a-really-really-stupid-thing-will-iso-as-follow\/","title":{"rendered":"IATF Just Did A Really, Really Stupid Thing &#8230; Will ISO\/AS Follow?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[Update, see bottom.] The IATF, which oversees the IATF 16949 automotive quality management system certification scheme, just did an astonishingly stupid thing, if I&#8217;m reading this correctly. And there&#8217;s a risk that IAF and the IAQG might follow suit for the ISO 9001 and AS9100 schemes, respectively.<\/p>\n<p>In an update to the automotive scheme&#8217;s auditing rules, the IATF is now requiring that a multi-site company implement entirely <em><strong>separate<\/strong> <\/em>QMS&#8217;s &#8212; and undergo entirely separate, standalone audits &#8212; if a facility is more than 10 miles from another one. So whereas &#8212; for <em><strong>decades<\/strong> <\/em>now &#8212; if you had two facilities, you could merge them under a single certificate, the IATF is trying to launch a cash grab and split them up.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-31782\" style=\"border: 1px solid #000000;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate.png 2000w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-150x113.png 150w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-200x150.png 200w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-1536x1152.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-1080x810.png 1080w, https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/iatfupdate-560x420.png 560w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Think about that distance. Ten miles, driving at 60 miles an hour, is <em><strong>only a ten-minute drive<\/strong><\/em>. So now, a plant will have to implement its own QMS &#8212; complete with management review, audits, etc. &#8212; even though the HQ is just ten minutes away.<\/p>\n<p>Look at their math, too. The document above assumes a ten-mile drive takes sixty minutes, meaning the car would be traveling at <em><strong>ten miles per hour<\/strong><\/em>. I know the IATF does a shit job of managing quality, but does that mean its members&#8217; cars can&#8217;t get out of first gear? Good lord, no wonder everyone is buying a BYD now.<\/p>\n<p>I have reached out to a few folks to see if I am reading this wrong, and so far, they have assured me that I am not. As you likely know, though, Oxebridge doesn&#8217;t do automotive or IATF 16949, so I have no insight into that scheme at all. (I invite any experts <a href=\"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/contact-us\/\">to write me<\/a>, and I can update accordingly.)<\/p>\n<p>Per one of my contacts:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That 10 mile \/ hour drive requirement is a killer.\u00a0 [My niece&#8217;s] company has sites all over the Detroit metro area, plus one in Illinois.\u00a0 One of them is &#8220;11&#8221; miles from HQ. This will have zero impact on their QMS structure.\u00a0 Its ONLY impact is increased audit days and cert costs.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I have to say, I really can&#8217;t understand this. There must be more to this. Right now, the automotive industry is tanking, and pressure from China competitors who are eating the legacy manufacturers&#8217; lunch on cost <em><strong>and<\/strong> <\/em>quality. Factor in the current political environment, which is taking a flametorch to US carmakers and the supply chain, and you have a recipe for apocalypse.<\/p>\n<p>The IATF probably thinks it can get away with this because its members mandate certification as a part of doing business. But what if a considerable number of key suppliers just say &#8220;<em>no<\/em>&#8220;? What are they going to do about it?<\/p>\n<p>Again, if I&#8217;m reading this wrong, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/contact-us\/\">let me know.<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>UPDATE:<\/strong> I&#8217;m getting confusing information, but some are suggesting that this was an attempt to stop CBs from issuing blanket certificates that covered sites they didn&#8217;t actually audit. I still don&#8217;t see how that works, since a CB would have been required to audit any address it lists on the certificate, but maybe there&#8217;s some wrinkle in IATF 16949 that the CBs were gaming. I really can&#8217;t be sure yet.<\/p>\n<p>If so, then the solution is far simpler than this 10-mile rule would have you believe. If an address is included, it gets audited; period. Simple. No mileage, no limits, no nothing. But that&#8217;s not how this reads on its face.<\/p>\n<p>I will update again as I get more information.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>New IATF rules require separate quality systems for sites only 10 miles apart.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":31783,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","mc4wp_mailchimp_campaign":[],"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[256,83,76,119,542,603],"class_list":["post-31781","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-opinion","tag-automotive","tag-iaf","tag-iaqg","tag-iatf","tag-iatf-16949","tag-qms","et-has-post-format-content","et_post_format-et-post-format-standard"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/31781","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=31781"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/31781\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":31797,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/31781\/revisions\/31797"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/31783"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=31781"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=31781"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.oxebridge.com\/emma\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=31781"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}