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Sixteen Months Later, IAQG Still Won't Answer Official Query on AS9100 Downgrades 
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Christopher Paris
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The IAQG’s Buddy Cressionnie and Alan Daniels are busy booking appearances at the upcoming ISO 9000 Conference, but apparently can’t find the time to answer official questions regarding the AS9100 scheme inside the OASIS “Feedback” system.

For over 16 months now, IAQG has refused to even assign a respondent to an issue I raised in August of 2017, despite IAQG insisting it runs metrics measuring its own performance via response and closure times for OASIS tickets. The issue came about when an Oxebridge client reported their AS9100 certification body (CB) told them they could “downgrade” to ISO 9001 if it appeared they were going to fail their AS9100 audit; the auditor claimed this could be done on the spot, during the audit itself. This contradicted a prior auditor from the same registrar who, when asked the same question, said that “downgrading” to ISO 9001 mid-audit was not allowed. So which is it?

ANAB’s Lori Gillespie gave a typical response, kinda-sorta saying nothing while answering nevertheless, saying that it would be determined on a “case by case” basis. She didn’t seem fully knowledgable on the problem.

The actual answer should be a firm “no.” This is because the ISO 9001 scheme is managed through the IAF matrix of regulations, while the AS9100 scheme has to undergo additional controls by the IAQG’s “ICOP” (Industry Controlled Other Party) scheme. As a result, the two are not compatible. AS9100 audits have entirely different reporting requirements, including the need to schedule the audits within OASIS. If a company were to suddenly “downgrade”: to ISO 9001 on the last day of their AS9100 audit, what would happen to the existing OASIS records? Would they be updated to show the client failed AS9100? Would the records be expunged? Would the client get their $500 OASIS fee refunded?

IAQG won’t — or can’t — answer this question. So my official request for clarification has languished in the OASIS Feedback system since August 2017, unanswered.

So if any O-Fans go to the coming ISO 9000 Conference, feel free to ask Daniels or Cressionnie, “when are you going to answer Chris Paris’ question on downgrading to ISO 9001 during an AS9100 audit?” Because at this point, confronting them face to face is likely to be the only way to get an answer.

OASIS, meanwhile, remains hopelessly useless, except as a means to forcibly collect critical CB data so that IAQG can become its own accreditation body later, and put ANAB out of business.

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